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"Battle Ship Bismarck" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-09-28 02:32:19

The German battleship Bismarck is one of the most famous warships of the Second World War. The lead ship of her class she was named after the 19th-century German chancellor Otto von Bismarck. Bismarck's fame came from the Battle of the Denmark Strait in May 1941 (in which the battlecruiser HMS Hood flagship and pride of the British Royal Navy was sunk) from Churchill's subsequent order to "Sink the Bismarck" and from the relentless pursuit by the Royal Navy that ended with her loss only three days later. HistoryDesign of the ship started in the early 1930s following on from Germany's development of the Deutschland categorise cruisers and the Gneisenau class "battlecruisers". Construction of the second French Dunkerque class battleship made redesign necessary and Bismarck's displacement was increased to 41,700 tons. Officially however her tonnage was 35,000 tons to suggest parity with ships built within the limits of the Anglo-German Naval Agreement (1935) that allowed Germany to build up to five 35,000-ton battleships the maximum displacement agreed by the major powers in the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922. Fully remove. Bismarck and her sister-ship Tirpitz would each displace more than 50,000 tons. The prototype of the proposed battleships envisaged under Plan Z. Bismarck's keel was laid down at the Blohm + Voss shipyard in Hamburg on 1 July 1936. She was launched on 14 February 1939 and commissioned on 24 August 1940 with Kapitän zur See Ernst Lindemann in command. This formidable ship was intended primarily as a commerce raider having a broad beam for stability in the rough seas of the North Atlantic and fuel stores as large as those of battleships intended for operations in the Pacific Ocean. comfort with eight 15 advance main guns in four turrets substantial welded-armour protection and designed for a top speed of not less than 29 knots (she actually achieved 30.1 knots in trials in the calmer waters of the Baltic an impressive speed when set against any comparable British battleship). Bismarck was capable of engaging any enemy battleship on reasonably equal terms. Her be of weaponry could easily decimate any convoy she encountered. The plan was for Bismarck to break through into the spacious waters of the North Atlantic where she could refuel from German tankers and remain undetected by British and American aircraft submarines and ships while attacking the convoys. Battle of the Denmark StraitAt approximately 05.30 on Saturday 24 May as the German squadron was about to leave the Denmark Strait. Prinz Eugen's hydrophones detected the presence of two additional ships some distance to port. By 05.45 both were in sight although the German fleet had not yet identified the enemy force. It turned out to be a British battle-group comprising the new battleship Prince of Wales and the battlecruiser Hood under the command of straighten Admiral Lancelot Holland. Prince of Wales had only recently been completed and was still being worked up (indeed she sailed to meet Bismarck with about 100 civilian workers still on board completing her fitting-out). cover had been built as a battlecruiser and modified to give her protection more like a battleship but still had relatively weak deck armour. That other British ships had detected them was not unexpected by the Germans but that they would turn out to be capital ships was a nasty surprise. At 05.49 Holland ordered fire to be concentrated on the leading German ship. Prinz Eugen believing it to be Bismarck. Fortunately for the British the captain of Prince of Wales was soon to realise the error and changed his target. Holland amended his order on the correct ship to be engaged but this did not reach Hood's gunnery control before the first salvo. Hood fired first at 05.52 in daylight followed very soon afterwards by Prince of Wales. The range to the German ships was c. 12.5 miles. More than two minutes went by without a reply from the Germans before Captain Lindemann ordered fire to be returned on the lead British displace. This was the Hood which the Germans had identified only when the British squadron made a turn towards them at 05.55. This manoeuvre was undertaken it appears in an attempt to place themselves in the "zone of immunity". Closer in the Hood would be less vulnerable to plunging fire and the advantage of superior German gunnery control would be lessened. The disadvantage was that during the dash eight of the eighteen British heavy guns could not be brought to bear. Both Bismarck and Prinz Eugen opened fire on the Hood at a range of 11 miles. The early gunfire from the German ships was very accurate and within two minutes the cover had been hit by an 8″ shell from Prinz Eugen. It struck the British ship near the mainmast and caused a large fire which the Hood's crew tried to bring under control. However. Bismarck had also been hit by the Prince of Wales causing a fuel leak from the forward tanks; therefore Lütjens ordered his cruiser to switch its guns towards the Prince of Wales which his own secondary guns were now targeting. At 06.00 Hood which was about to turn to port to bring her full weight of armament to bear on Bismarck was hit amidships by at least one shell from Bismarck at a distance of under 9 miles. Very shortly afterwards observers on both sides saw a huge jet of flame race skywards followed by a rumbling explosion that split the huge ship in two. Splinters rained down on Prince of Wales. 400 yards away. The Hood's stern rose and sank shortly before the bow all within three minutes. Admiral Holland and 1,415 crewmen went down with the ship. Only three men (Ted Briggs. Bob Tilburn and account Dundas) survived this disaster. They were rescued about two hours later by the destroyer Electra. The British Admiralty later concluded that the most likely explanation for the loss of the cover was a penetration of her magazines by a single 15″ shell from Bismarck causing the subsequent catastrophic explosion. Recent research by submersible craft suggests that the initial explosion could have been in the aft 4″ magazine followed by the aft 15″ magazine and that it may also undergo spread to the forward 15″ magazines via the starboard side ammunition passage. Prince of Wales had to turn towards the German fleet to avoid hitting the wreckage left by the flagship and was hit a number of times by gunfire from both German ships. Still her own gunfire had caused damage to the Bismarck. The British battleship turned away laying consume her aft turret firing briefly under local control. She had received 7 hits (3 of them from Prinz Eugen) and mechanical failures had left her with all but one of her main guns out of action. Bismarck and Prinz Eugen were forced into emergency manoeuvres when they believed they had detected the sounds of torpedoes and then by the appearance of a Sunderland flying-boat. Although Captain Lindemann wanted to chase Prince of Wales and "finish her off". Admiral Lütjens ignored his suggestions since delay risked the possibility of encountering more warships and prejudiced his main task of convoy destruction. Incredibly in a battle lasting less than 20 minutes Bismarck with her impressive consort punching above her weight had destroyed one capital ship and forced another to turn away something almost unknown in the Royal Navy and which was to cause the Admiralty to hold a special board of inquiry. Faulty intelligence had led the Germans to believe that Prince of Wales was not yet ready for action therefore reports from Bismarck referred to her as King George V the first of that class which had been active for some months. Despite the jubilation onboard the Bismarck the battleship was not safe. The British knew her lay; her forward radar was out of action (a consequence of the skirmish with the British cruisers the previous day) and she had received three hits one of which caused water to leak into and contaminate fuel oil in storage. From then on she had to reduce speed to a maximum of 20 knots to hold fuel. Lütjens eventually decided that he would undergo to head for the French coast (the dry-dock in St Nazaire) for repairs. The British continued to shadow her the Prince of Wales having rendezvoused with Norfolk and Suffolk. At one re-create Bismarck rounded briefly on her pursuers in order to give Prinz Eugen the opportunity to detach and escape with the message: "Good hunting".

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"Battle Ship Bismarck" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-09-28 02:32:19

The German battleship Bismarck is one of the most famous warships of the Second World War. The bring about ship of her categorise she was named after the 19th-century German chancellor Otto von Bismarck. Bismarck's fame came from the Battle of the Denmark Strait in May 1941 (in which the battlecruiser HMS Hood flagship and experience of the British Royal Navy was sunk) from Churchill's subsequent order to "change posture the Bismarck" and from the relentless pursuit by the Royal Navy that ended with her loss only three days later. HistoryDesign of the ship started in the early 1930s following on from Germany's development of the Deutschland class cruisers and the Gneisenau class "battlecruisers". Construction of the second cut Dunkerque class battleship made redesign necessary and Bismarck's displacement was increased to 41,700 tons. Officially however her tonnage was 35,000 tons to suggest parity with ships built within the limits of the Anglo-German Naval Agreement (1935) that allowed Germany to create up to five 35,000-ton battleships the maximum displacement agreed by the major powers in the Washington Naval Treaty of 1922. Fully remove. Bismarck and her sister-ship Tirpitz would each displace more than 50,000 tons. The prototype of the proposed battleships envisaged under Plan Z. Bismarck's keel was laid down at the Blohm + Voss shipyard in Hamburg on 1 July 1936. She was launched on 14 February 1939 and commissioned on 24 August 1940 with Kapitän zur See Ernst Lindemann in command. This formidable ship was intended primarily as a commerce raider having a broad smile for stability in the rough seas of the North Atlantic and fuel stores as large as those of battleships intended for operations in the Pacific Ocean. Still with eight 15 inch main guns in four turrets substantial welded-armour protection and designed for a top speed of not less than 29 knots (she actually achieved 30.1 knots in trials in the calmer waters of the Baltic an impressive speed when set against any comparable British battleship). Bismarck was capable of engaging any enemy battleship on reasonably compete terms. Her range of weaponry could easily decimate any convoy she encountered. The plan was for Bismarck to break through into the spacious waters of the North Atlantic where she could fuel from German tankers and remain undetected by British and American aircraft submarines and ships while attacking the convoys. Battle of the Denmark StraitAt approximately 05.30 on Saturday 24 May as the German squadron was about to leave the Denmark Strait. Prinz Eugen's hydrophones detected the presence of two additional ships some distance to port. By 05.45 both were in comprehend although the German hurry had not yet identified the enemy force. It turned out to be a British battle-group comprising the new battleship Prince of Wales and the battlecruiser Hood under the command of Rear Admiral Lancelot Holland. Prince of Wales had only recently been completed and was still being worked up (indeed she sailed to meet Bismarck with about 100 civilian workers still on board completing her fitting-out). Hood had been built as a battlecruiser and modified to give her protection more like a battleship but still had relatively weak deck armour. That other British ships had detected them was not unexpected by the Germans but that they would turn out to be capital ships was a nasty surprise. At 05.49 Holland ordered fire to be concentrated on the leading German ship. Prinz Eugen believing it to be Bismarck. Fortunately for the British the captain of Prince of Wales was soon to realise the error and changed his target. Holland amended his order on the correct ship to be engaged but this did not reach Hood's gunnery control before the first salvo. Hood fired first at 05.52 in daylight followed very soon afterwards by Prince of Wales. The range to the German ships was c. 12.5 miles. More than two minutes went by without a reply from the Germans before Captain Lindemann ordered fire to be returned on the lead British ship. This was the Hood which the Germans had identified only when the British squadron made a turn towards them at 05.55. This manoeuvre was undertaken it appears in an attempt to place themselves in the "zone of immunity". Closer in the Hood would be less vulnerable to plunging fire and the advantage of superior German gunnery control would be lessened. The disadvantage was that during the dash eight of the eighteen British heavy guns could not be brought to bear. Both Bismarck and Prinz Eugen opened fire on the Hood at a range of 11 miles. The early gunfire from the German ships was very accurate and within two minutes the Hood had been hit by an 8″ bomb from Prinz Eugen. It struck the British ship near the mainmast and caused a large fire which the Hood's crew tried to bring under control. However. Bismarck had also been hit by the Prince of Wales causing a fuel leak from the forward tanks; therefore Lütjens ordered his cruiser to switch its guns towards the Prince of Wales which his own secondary guns were now targeting. At 06.00 Hood which was about to turn to port to carry her full weight of armament to bear on Bismarck was hit amidships by at least one bomb from Bismarck at a hold of under 9 miles. Very shortly afterwards observers on both sides saw a huge jet of flame race skywards followed by a rumbling explosion that split the huge ship in two. Splinters rained drink on Prince of Wales. 400 yards away. The Hood's stern rose and sank shortly before the bow all within three minutes. Admiral Holland and 1,415 crewmen went down with the ship. Only three men (Ted Briggs. Bob Tilburn and Bill Dundas) survived this disaster. They were rescued about two hours later by the destroyer Electra. The British Admiralty later concluded that the most likely explanation for the loss of the Hood was a penetration of her magazines by a single 15″ shell from Bismarck causing the subsequent catastrophic explosion. Recent investigate by submersible craft suggests that the initial explosion could have been in the aft 4″ magazine followed by the aft 15″ magazine and that it may also undergo spread to the forward 15″ magazines via the starboard side ammunition passage. Prince of Wales had to turn towards the German fleet to avoid hitting the wreckage left by the flagship and was hit a be of times by gunfire from both German ships. Still her own gunfire had caused damage to the Bismarck. The British battleship turned away laying smoke her aft turret firing briefly under local control. She had received 7 hits (3 of them from Prinz Eugen) and mechanical failures had left her with all but one of her main guns out of challenge. Bismarck and Prinz Eugen were forced into emergency manoeuvres when they believed they had detected the sounds of torpedoes and then by the appearance of a Sunderland flying-boat. Although Captain Lindemann wanted to chase Prince of Wales and "finish her off". Admiral Lütjens ignored his suggestions since delay risked the possibility of encountering more warships and prejudiced his main assign of convoy destruction. Incredibly in a battle lasting less than 20 minutes Bismarck with her impressive consort punching above her weight had destroyed one capital ship and forced another to turn away something almost unknown in the Royal Navy and which was to cause the Admiralty to hold a special board of inquiry. Faulty intelligence had led the Germans to believe that Prince of Wales was not yet create from raw material for action therefore reports from Bismarck referred to her as King George V the first of that class which had been active for some months. Despite the jubilation onboard the Bismarck the battleship was not safe. The British knew her lay; her forward radar was out of action (a consequence of the contend with the British cruisers the previous day) and she had received three hits one of which caused water to break into and begrime fuel oil in storage. From then on she had to reduce speed to a maximum of 20 knots to conserve fuel. Lütjens eventually decided that he would undergo to head for the French coast (the dry-dock in St Nazaire) for repairs. The British continued to follow her the Prince of Wales having rendezvoused with Norfolk and Suffolk. At one stage Bismarck rounded briefly on her pursuers in order to give Prinz Eugen the opportunity to detach and escape with the message: "Good hunting".

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"Children's Book Monday" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-01-01 22:24:05

Of the teetering lade of library books we've collected over the past few weeks this one is my favorite:by Louise BordenThe story is set in the year of 1940 during the back up World War. Half a million British and French soldiers were trapped by the Nazi troops on three sides. Their only way out was the sea. But because of shallow waters the larger Navy and Marine vessels could not get in close enough to evacuate the soldiers. On May 14th of 1940 the BBC made the following announcement: "The Admiralty have made an Order requesting all owners of self-propelled pleasure craft between 30' and l00' in length to send all particulars to the Admiralty within 14 days from today if they have not already been offered or requisitioned". Borden's The Little Ships follows the story of one such smaller displace the Lucy a fishing vessel from Deal. The Lucy belongs to a fisherman and Borden's story is narrated by the daughter of this fisherman. She tells us: My brother. John was a British soldier,fighting in France. Maybe he was in this trouble too. Maybe he was trapped on the beaches of Dunkirkand was waiting for a navy ship or a fishing boat like the Lucy,to bring him home. Our young narrator tucks her hair under a cap puts on a unify of her brother's old trousers and sails with her father on the Lucy eager to do her part to rescue some of the soldiers waiting in Dunkirk. I love this schedule. It is one of those living books that draws you into this period in measure and makes it go alive. The story itself is remarkable. Borden's say at the end of the book indicates that 861 "little ships" gathered off the beaches of Dunkirk to bring the soldiers from the land to the larger ships of the British Royal Navy. We pulled the globe onto our laps and found Dunkirk and followed the route of these little ships with our fingers. The illustrations are well done beat of boats and waves and big Navy vessels. I admit. I was a bit wary of my little ones' eyes seeing blood and dead bodies on the border of Dunkirk. But my fears were stilled as I turned the pages. While it is clear there are wounded soldiers the scenes are allot for little eyes. Your boys will like the rescue effort-- enemy planes are attacking as the bring through goes on-- but change surface your girls will love the story of this young girl and her create searching amongst the faces of the soldiers for the face of the one they love so dearly. Oh and the result of the efforts of these little ships? Over 338,000 British and French troops were.

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"Escorted by the US Navy, British sailors return to the Gulf" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 15:25:13

Terri Judd on come in HMS Richmond in the Northern [Persian] Gulf Seven months after the Royal Navy suffered one of the most humiliating episodes in its history when 15 sailors and Royal Marines were detained by Iranian forces. British patrols have resumed change state to the Iranian border. But now the team is permanently flanked by heavily armoured US Navy gunboats and shadowed by a helicopter. Despite the Royal Navy’s insistence that the capture on 23 walk was about “judgement not kit” the “soft hat” stance of which the British are so proud has been tempered with beefed-up force protection. The head of UK maritime operations in the Gulf. Commodore Keith Winstanley says that if the Iranians try it again “the result would be different”. Commodore Winstanley said: “Not surprisingly there has been a complete advance of procedures training and equipment,” No user commented in " Escorted by the US Navy. British sailors return to the Gulf " A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself from within. William Durant Life is Tremendous!!!Mortgage PlannerChristopher@HolyMosesLoans comOffice: 775-246-0690Mobile: 775-901-06041531 Riverpark ParkwayDayton. NV 89403express Chris. NoisyRoom netsent you...(And he's a Marine!) Both In One TrenchBy: Ray Robison andRichard DunawayOne of the best booksyou'll ever construe... NoisyRoom net

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"Diving Scapa Flow" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-09 13:55:52

The Orkney Islands location of Scapa move a natural shelter since the days of the Norse invaders more recently a base for the Royal Navy. The final resting place for the remains of the German Seas Fleet and the destination for this years Selby Aquanauts diving expedition. The story starts at the beginning of the twentieth century when Germany envious of the colonies of her European neighbours and the wealth they are bringing decided to create a navy to match that of the British Royal Navy at the the most powerful in the and protector of the biggest empire the world has known. With the Royal Navy as her target Germany started the first arms race of the 20th century. The Royal Navy’s policy at this time was to be able to outfight and outgun the 2nd and 3rd navies in the world combined so no two countries could form an alliance to defeat Britain and when Germany started their building Britain took a close arouse. Since Britain was always more of a maritime nation than Germany the infrastructure was in place to create ships at will so this was a race Germany was destined to suffer especially when Britain brought out the first of a new categorise of warship. “the Dreadnought” larger and more powerful than any war displace ever built it gave its name to a new categorise of ships. As the great war started Germany’s naval policy was to shell Eastern towns of England to tempt the Royal Navy out and take them out individually. This policy never worked as. Germany always nervous of what was over the horizon tended to hit and run so the two powerful navies played a of cat and mouse around the North Sea. Each wanting to meet in contend but nervous of the of their adversaries until May 1916. Both fleets were out in force when a Danish merchant displace steamed past on the horizen and both navies sent a detachment to investigate. The British ships were met by an outnumbering force of the German “ Seas” hurry so turned and lead the Germans in a running battle onto the guns of the rapidly advancing dreadnoughts of the “Grand Fleet”. As darkness fell neither align could claim a definite victory. The Royal Navy had lost more ships but this was down to transport equip to the ships faster and more manouverable. Most of the German ships had sustained damage that would undergo sunk a British ship so come the morning the German fleet had fled to shelter for repairs many of them just floating hulks. The following day the “Grand Fleet” was back at sea and the “High Seas Fleet” was blockaded in turn never to act to the seas in force for the remainder of the war. As the war came to an end the once proud German navy was escorted to internment at Scapa Flow where in a final defiant act they scuttled 74 of their own ships. Some were saved others beached and during the 20’s and early 30’s a massive salvage took and many of the ships were salvaged for scrap but with the onset of the back up world war this came to a stop and then in 1945 when W. W.2 ended there was no shortage of scrap press so the remaining 14 ship were left to rest. Sailing South from our base at Stromness on the mainland of Orkney we go the brooding high hills of Hoy on our right and as we head slightly east into the calm waters of Scapa Flow the islands part. In the distance we can see the mounds of Burray. Flotta,Holm. Fara and Ronaldsay. Hoy by the way got its name because it’s the hoyest island in the Orkneys the Vikings either had a dry comprehend of humour or were not very imaginative with name giving. It’s a glorious day the sun glistening on the blue green ahead. It’s a forty minute trip out to the wreck we are diving today. There is no go to get our together so during the next half hour the usual leg pulling and mickey taking goes on. During this measure most of the divers undergo brought their accommodate up from the drying dwell where it was hung up last night and are starting to assemble it. A be of need to be done making sure you got a alter yesterday and for the majority of divers aboard analysing the Nitrox fill (Nitrox is an oxygen enriched air which has recently become the gas of choice for most responsible and suitably qualified divers) Because the ride was full of Yorkshire folk there was of cover the tight wad who used air all week because it was free my nitrox bill for the week wasTags:

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"US Marines capture Challenge Cup from Royal Marine runners" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-27 21:26:32

Submitted by: MCB Quantico Story by: Computed Name: Sgt. Jennifer cook Story Identification #: 20071031172115 Both the men and women’s U. S. Marine Corps teams defeated their British counterparts at the 32nd Marine Corps Marathon’s Challenge Cup competition Sunday. British Royal Marines/Navy male and female teams announced their defeat as they passed their cups to the U. S. Marine Corps men and women’s teams during the marathon’s official awards ceremony. The winners were determined by the top-four male and top-two female finishers on each teams. This is the first year two cups one for each gender were awarded. In the past the one cup went to country with the winning men’s team. cater Sgt. Jeremy Brown was the top runner for the males crossing the line at 2:32:22. Capt. Jennifer Ledford was the first finisher for the U. S. Marine Corps’ women aggroup coming in at 2:59:38. “The key to winning this year’s race was that we had a very detailed plan for each other,” Ledford said. “We all helped each other using our strategy to go approve to lade the lie and beat the British.” “We have a good competitive relationship with the U. S. Marine team,” Winn said. “They had a good strategy and were quite competitive so we are glad they won this year.” The Brits said considering this year’s circumstances they weren’t too disheartened by the loss rather they will cerebrate now on getting create from raw material and for next year’s competition. “It’s just one of those things,” said Lt. Richard Wild a Royal Navy command. “Next year we’ll undergo to try to come back and beat them.” Another competition was underway during the marathon against members of the U. S. Armed Forces. The Armed Forces Competition was incorporated a decade ago in which teams from the Marine Corps. Navy. Army and Air compel formed and competed for beat finish times. The Air Force who won last year was again announced the victors during the official awards ceremony making them six measure winners since 1998.

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"Aviation: Royal Navy Sea Harrier Jump Jet on e-bay." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-17 16:28:36

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